The extent of Jill Biden’s alleged influence over Joe Biden and his administration had been a longstanding point of controversy even before the Cabinet meeting in September. Trump, however, attributed that influence not solely to Jill, but to what he called “radical left lunatics” surrounding the former president.

Former first lady Jill Biden was among former President Joe Biden’s handlers, according to President Donald Trump. But in a new interview, Trump said he does not believe that Jill Biden wielded the autopen used to sign presidential documents.